mentous nature, but i would agree with the earlier panel who said i don't believe that reporters are cal. there's a robust pushback on secrecy from many different levels. that does not mean everything gets out, nor should everything get out, but we have institutional structures that are pushing very hard, much harder than when i first got involved with this back in the 90s, and, also, after 9/11. i do see a robust press, a robust advocacy groups, interest groups, plaintiff groups, and whistle blowers ready to come forward to the ig or publicly or to congress, and, also, you have strong advocates of whistle-blowers in congress as well. i'm not saying it's in the perfect spot or that this is an issue that needs to be constantly addressed and subject of the conferences, i believe there's a strong institutional frame work to help transparency, with respect to the inspector generals within the agencies as realm. >> perhaps that's a good note to sum up on so i guess i should make a few comments on what's happened over the course of today. despite marty's challenge, i don't think we solved all